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Ep.155 Transforming Life through Fitness and Faith with Nativo Gonzalez
Imagine transforming your life through fitness and faith. Join us for an engaging conversation with fitness extraordinaire Nativo Gonzalez, who opens up about his journey from podcasting to personal growth and wellness. Nativo shares the poignant reasons behind ending his beloved podcast, "Paid the Cost," and the joy he found in passing his equipment to a trusted friend for future meaningful endeavors.
He reflects on the invaluable lessons learned from diverse guests, including a transformative moment with Pastor Jerry Morales that deepened his understanding of identity and spirituality.
Discover the trials and triumphs of maintaining discipline in fitness and nutrition. Nativo shares humorous and heartfelt stories about meal prepping, adapting to a new physique, and setting a positive example for family and community.
Learn about the blessings of following one's passion, the balance of priorities, and the enduring support from loved ones. This episode is packed with words of wisdom and inspiration, encouraging listeners to embrace health and wellness, live in the moment, and become part of something greater.
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Hi, I'm your host, thomas Sage Pedersen, and welcome to Speak for Change podcast, where we explore positive and lasting change in all areas of life. Our next guest is fitness extraordinaire and good friend, nativo gonzalez. Nativo, welcome to speak for chain tommy p.
Speaker 2:What's up, dog in the house? Can I call you tommy p? Is that all?
Speaker 1:right, the only person who can call me tommy my man is nativo.
Speaker 2:Thank you, sir. The creator, the originator, you know what I mean. In the house, baby paid the cost. What's happening?
Speaker 1:it's like uh, you know, this gear may look familiar to you. Absolutely 100, what's?
Speaker 2:happening, how you doing buddy good to see you good to see you.
Speaker 1:Microphone hello dude, thank you so much for the. The. You know us making this arrangement for this year, my honor and pleasure man.
Speaker 2:You know I I actually, um, you know I was talking about on my ig the other day and you know, before I I came to the conclusion that it was time for me to end the podcast. Um, you know, I prayed on it, talked to god, talked to my wife. I really had to sit with it for a long time and one of the things that made the transition so much more pleasurable was that I got to get rid of the equipment to somebody that I care for and I wanted to have it and that I knew would use it for very valuable purposes. You know what I mean. So it's an absolute honor to know that you have this equipment Dude.
Speaker 1:Thank you, man, it's been so much fun. My gear before was so boring.
Speaker 2:I'm like looking at this, I'm all like, look at all these colors.
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh, hello. This is speak for change.
Speaker 2:Don't let it tranquilize you while we're talking. Dog, I need you right here, bro, face to face Me and you right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, don't go to the light, tommy P, don't go to the light, oh, man, and yeah, I just kind of wanted to almost like reflect a little bit on. You know, obviously we're going to talk about what you're going to, what you're doing now, you know. But I, but you know, this was a big part of your life. I know, when I started the podcast, it changed my life, you know what I mean. And we kind of started around the same time june-ish, july-ish of 2020, july 4th I dropped the first two episodes yeah, that's right 20.
Speaker 1:I think mine was June 7th. Okay, so I guess you got me beat whatever.
Speaker 2:No, you win.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was my intention, actually, I'm a month older.
Speaker 2:Hey, 10 things that require zero time.
Speaker 1:Well, shit, okay, well, shit, okay. So you know, and I've tackled with stopping the podcast on and off throughout those years, you know, and one of the things that I reflected on during those moments was, wow, I learned a ton from these people, from these guests. You know, just by interviewing, it's like it feels inevitable that you're going to reflect on all the things you're learning.
Speaker 2:Well, not only reflect, but when you have greatness around you on a consistent basis, it it it elevates who you are as a human being and it makes you want to grow being and it makes you want to grow and, and when you're around entrepreneurs, serious business people, uh, people in in government politics, artists, musicians, um, you know any anything from the spectrum right? Um it it it allows you to start getting a taste of of what they go through, and it's almost becomes a requirement for your day-to-day living. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:So it's, you know, doing paid the cost. Podcast was an absolute honor and and I I I take such pride in and what I got to contribute to the community. I mean, look bro, I got a. I got an old school mic tattooed on my arm I got ptc tatted on my arm.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is for life yeah you know, paid the cost, what it represents will never go away. Yeah, that's something that is never going to go away. That is. That is something that is instilled in myself and hopefully, something that I instilled in the Santa Cruz community and the central coast community as a whole. But you know me, baby, I'm all Santa Cruz, so yeah, yeah, I feel that man, what are?
Speaker 1:if you could distill some principles or ideas, or even interviews, that kind of like left a lasting impression on you, what do you think those would be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know, I knew you were going to ask that. So I think my number one interview and not that it was my favorite or anything like that All of them are my favorites. Everybody that came on was stellar.
Speaker 2:No, hell, no, no, no, not not my children, my folks, my, my people, my, my community. Yeah, pastor Jerry Morales from the victory outreach church, you know, not only have I been extremely blessed to forge a very deep, connective relationship with this man, but he taught me the meaning of who Jesus Christ really is. You know I, you know, growing up, uh, biracial, um, half Mexican, half Caucasian, Uh, but I grew up with a Caucasian mother, from Michigan, yeah, right. And, and you know my father, uh, in and out of the penitentiary, um, you know, ex gang member, um, and let me not down him too much, because he also has his master's degree, almost has a PhD, very intelligent man.
Speaker 2:I just never got blessed with having a relationship with him, um, but being biracial and growing up confused, um, about what my true identity really was. I always looked at Jesus like he. He was a t-shirt or a bumper sticker or you know, this fantasy creature that was, you know, made up. And when Pastor Jerry Morales came into my life, I had a lot of questions and you know he allowed me to ask, you know, questions that could possibly be deemed as distasteful, and he was so calm and patient, didn't mock me, didn't do the. You know when I'm asking a question, smile you know what I mean Like you're an idiot or you know that's not right.
Speaker 2:He, he was so gracious with the way he approached my questions. You know what I mean and and I will always be grateful to him for guiding me and and giving me the insight into Christianity. And and I do not, I am I never say never. I'm not willing at the time to call myself a Christian, but I've opened up my life, follower and believer of God, but didn't know anything about Jesus and with Pastor Jerry's insights, I've been able to explore Jesus Christ and his life and what he represented to us as human beings in a whole different way, and I couldn't be more grateful for that.
Speaker 2:The second person in interview that I had on twice actually is Richard Macias, aka Warpath Fit, and I can't tell you how much that man has changed my life. You know I interviewed him 2021. I went down to Southern California, I stayed in a hotel in Pomona and I reached out to three people down there. I called it the SoCal edition of paid the cost, and Richard Macias was about a year into his fitness journey and we sat down, broke it down, talked about mindset you know, working out, eating, why he got to where he's at, what changed his life, his mindset, his motivations. And the second time I went down to interview him, I I stayed in ontario, california, and I mean I, I got to interview, um, uh gosh, I don't know why this isn't coming to my head, but but the gentleman that that captured, um uh uh, the serial murderer I I forgot his name. Oh, just totally blanking on all of this stuff.
Speaker 1:It'll, it'll, it'll come to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, anyways, he was the detective that caught this serial murderer.
Speaker 2:He was on Netflix, you know, and he was a really big interview and and while I was down there, I reached out to to my boy, Richard Macias, again and his transition from the beginning of where I my own fitness journey. For a while I had gained some weight I I had gone through some stuff in in uh uh 22 that was really heavy. I had three situations that were really heavy, that really threw me off balance and and I gained a lot of weight and and as we were talking I I start Richard Ramirez's name the murderer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and as we're talking, I say, you know, I would really like to get back into this, but I don't really have anybody that I can really consult with. And he looks at me, dead in my eyes, and he says, nativo, you got me salt with and. And he looks at me, dead in my eyes and he says, nativo, you got me, you know. So it stayed in the back of my head the whole time we're doing the interview. And when we finished the interview, I uh, I, you know, we, we were talking for a little bit. His wife was there, we were talking and I said hey, man, we were you. You know, were you serious about that? And he says look, he said Nativo, you were the first podcast I was ever on, bro, and, and I and my gratitude for you is is large and if you need my help, I got you. Yeah, so a week later, you know he, he's a online trainer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:A week later, he sends me a welcome packet, sends me my macro nutrients, starts sending me my workouts, and I was 197 pounds and I'm 162 pounds today. Um, and and uh. I have. I have fell in love with this fitness journey, um, with the guidance of Richard Macias, and and um. I owe that man such a debt of gratitude and I I truly am so grateful and thankful for what he has done for me and how he's changed my life. So those are the two interviews that that that stand out for me, that that came to my mind as I was. It was, you know, getting ready to come down here today Cause, like I said, I knew. But but but look, man, you know, the truth is is that every person that sat in that studio with me, every person that I interviewed, had an impact on my life in one way or another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. So I'm truly grateful again to the community and to every guest that came on to the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sounds like those two interviews you mentioned. Yeah, have this. It's almost a deepening of your values from me, knowing you right, like you, you've always had kind of god first. Absolutely like a mentality, right and this uh, preacher man, god his name was pastor jerry, yeah, he.
Speaker 2:He came in and like was the perfect teacher you needed to get deeper into your values it sounds like absolutely well, you know, I never really had, or never allowed myself to have access to somebody of his caliber Right, you know I always. You know that's why I'm so careful with using the word religion. You know what I mean. I'm still, you know, I absolutely understand and value the benefits of religion, but I also know what religion has caused, you know, in in the upbringing of humanity and and there's things that really you know. I think it's pretty obvious. I don't box myself in. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I, I I um, I can't be boxed in, I, I can't be caged, I, I and, and and I'm not saying that in a defiant no, it's you can't be boxed in, I can't be caged and I'm not saying that in a defiant.
Speaker 1:You can't get me. It's part of your. It's who I am.
Speaker 2:I am a true believer in evolution of life, in the way you live life, in the way you see life, in the way you grow through life. You live life in the way you see life in the way you grow through life, and I love starting really great things and building them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I get to a point where I'm like I need something new.
Speaker 1:I understand yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and, and. You know, for me it's always the process. Yeah, it's not the end game.
Speaker 1:It's the journey.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, that I have so much passion for so much. It makes me feel alive. You know it's. You know me and my wife were standing in the garage this morning and we walk into the kitchen. I said, babe, this was a thought. Yeah, what we're doing right now, we're building this beautiful new home gym. Yeah, and it was a thought, bro. It's a thought that is manifested into tangible reality and there's something about that that I am so in love with, that it, it brings me energy and passion and it ignites me. You know what I mean, and, and it's, it's, it's those processes that allow me to, um, be introspective while it's happening, to be closer to God, because it, it, it, it really for me. That's what tells me that God is real. You know what I mean, that that I, I'm alive. That is real. You know what I mean, that that I, I'm alive, that you know, thomas, I, I've I've told this story a million times, on the podcast, I think but I grew up with a single mom.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, and, and I can remember being eight years old and wanting to be a dad, and wanting to have a wife, and wanting to have a home and wanting to have that family. And I have it. You know what I mean? I have it right now, and the truth is, is that all I need in my life. All I need and all I want is God and my family.
Speaker 2:You know, I have two beautiful children. We have two beautiful boys a 17-year-old Nativo Jr, a three-year-old Amari. My wife, tanika, is more than I could have ever asked for in my life, have ever asked for in my life. I mean, you know, I come from a broken home, I come from alcohol, I come from addiction, I come from a divorce, I come from chaos and I never in my life could have imagined being with the type of woman that she is. She's the type of woman that makes me want to be a better man, like there's no question about it, you know, and the lessons that she's brought to the table and that I've been able to capitalize on have made me who I am today. And straight up, without God and Tanika I wouldn't be the nativo talking to Thomas Pedersen today.
Speaker 1:I mean, all that sounds extremely beautiful, and I just want to soak that in for a bit because, for one, there was a lot there, including, like you know, your love for your family's real, and I just couldn't help but connect this idea of god right this, this creator yeah right um the creator yeah, the creator. And this path that you have been in alignment with, that I totally resonate with, because you know my listeners know who I am and know how crazy sometimes I'm you know what I'm saying, but like you too, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so like ideas, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ideas, like we start things, we create things. I mean that's what it is. I mean we are made in the image of god.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're describing, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Ideas like we start things, we create things. I mean that's what it is.
Speaker 2:I mean you're just we are made in the image of God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're describing that creation process, starting new things. I don't know if we really should be looking at the end game as much. You know what I mean. Maybe the process is the way you know and yeah, oh, I like that. That's the is the way you know, and yeah, oh, wow, I like that. That's deep. You know what I'm saying. And when you're, when you're in that creative process, when you're just creating something because it feels passionate, you have this passion. You're following that. There is this energy that is it's almost hopeful. You know that that potential, anything can happen. You know it's almost hopeful. You know that anything can happen. You know, this is this brief moment where all potential realities suddenly become seen, like. You feel like oh man, this could be, this.
Speaker 2:It's a dream state you know a vision state?
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, you know what I'm saying yes, and when we are in that place, I feel like you are closer to God, because you're in the, in the space of creation. You're not thinking, you know, I don't think if. If you know, however, we were created, we probably were created out of a sense of passion, of love, of this kind of sense of oh yeah, absolutely. Sense of just not knowing what we will become.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or having the free will to choose what path we have right what?
Speaker 1:disappointments we turned out to be. I don't think we're done yet. You know, I don't think we're done. I hope not I think this is our like adolescent, teenage phase of humanity maybe three-year-old sometimes, if, if anything about humanity, if anything as humanity has taught us, is that we tend to need to learn things the hard way. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:And I think isn't a bad thing no, you gotta crawl before you walk right and you feel that. You know, you feel it when you learn that and I am very inspired by your love for your family and how you have taken this emptiness. Someone who also was raised mixed between a single mom and kind of a father who had a lot of issues right, and a white mom as well. We're both biracial and different ways. Of course You're Puerto Rican, right, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, but there is an emptiness you described this on your podcast of not having a solid father figure in your life. There is that kind of void.
Speaker 1:And you know me personally. I think I'm coming to that realization slower and slower and realizing like, oh man, like this is why I view being a father in certain ways or being having a family in certain ways, because I did come from kind of a fragmented home and there was chaos and like one of the things I know that's real is because when chaos happens, suddenly I know what to do. You know what I mean. And that kind of almost addiction to wanting Muscle memory, yeah, and wanting to like not learning to thrive within comfortable situations, sure, and I also want to speak on and kind of connecting that with your fitness journey Recently?
Speaker 1:You know, I've gained a lot of weight in the past five years, right and now I'm on this weight loss journey, whole thing, you know. But during this weight loss journey it feels like the more weight I lose, the more clarity I have. It's almost like the emotions almost live in the body, in my body. You know, it's almost like the emotions almost live in the body, in my body. You know, and I'm wondering, through this weight loss journey, have you noticed any kind of things coming up in you, like as in emotional things feelings, emotions, you know yeah, absolutely 100%.
Speaker 2:You know, one thing that I've really learned is that your mind, your mind, is the controller. Yeah, right, but we tend to switch the mind and the body and we let the body control the mind. Right. And and to your point about the living in the chaos and feeling comfortable there right, it's because your body, you know when your mind starts getting these signals, it shoots signals to your body. Right, it's because your body, you know when your mind starts getting these signals, it shoots signals to your body. Right, so you start getting used to those signals and the way they make you feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so so what happens is the body starts taking control of and instead of. You know, going through pain and suffering is a lot more enlightening than pleasure. You know, you grow from pain and suffering. You get understanding from pain and suffering. When you're in a state of pleasure on a regular basis, you get used to it and you get lazy and you get really unenthusiastic about doing things. Life, at the very least.
Speaker 2:I need pain and suffering because it makes me more introspective, it makes me closer to God, it makes me get on my knees and pray, it makes me ask for help, it allows me to grow. When you get over those hills, those mountains, and you're able to move the mountain, instead of standing at the bottom, it's staring at the top and thinking you can never get there. So, so, so allowing my mind to run my body has been a huge mindset shift. Um, you know, and and you know I've always felt this way but working out is also a form of prayer for me. While I work out, for some reason I get to this state of euphoria where I'm, I'm, you know, I'm listening to music, watching or listen to interviews on YouTube, whatever. Whatever I'm doing, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm listening to music watching or listening to interviews on YouTube, whatever I'm doing. But boom, finish that set, get up, walk around. Oh, thank you, god. Thank you, god. You know what God Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to have this workout equipment yeah, thank you for this home, god. Thank you for the warm, safe bed that I woke up in, god. Thank you for my wife, god. Thank you for our sons, god. Thank you for our food, god. Oh, there's my water heater, because I'm working out right next to it. Thank you for the warm water, god. Thank you for the heater, god, you know. So.
Speaker 2:You know the, the fitness journey. I know it's called fitness. I know it's about your physique, your physical form, but the, the, the mental process that takes over you while in this. You know what I mean, because there's temptation wherever you look. Do I want to go eat a Big Mac every day? Yes, yes. Do I want to have, you know, ice cream on a regular basis? Yes.
Speaker 2:But you build discipline, yeah, off knowing what the objective is, what the goal is, and once you set your sights on these things that you're trying to obtain and you're striving for, you start understanding what discipline really is. You start understanding what the mental battles are really about. You know what I mean and you're able to engage in these battles as a warrior instead of a soldier, and there's a huge difference. Right, a warrior stands on his own two feet. A warrior is willing to go to battle without command. Right, a soldier is told what to do. Yeah, you know what I mean and I'm in no way shape or form I, you know, I have major gratitude for the U S military, anybody that served. I have a great gratitude to the police, to the fire department. So I don't, I don't mean that in a deconstructive, negative, negative way towards those individuals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm saying for myself yeah, right, I don't want to be told what to do, I want to know what to do you know, what I'm saying, I do, and this is akin to what we were talking about before, about how that same passion Of making an idea into a reality, right, when you have fitness goals, right, your physique is changing Because you are forcing yourself to do these exercises, to work on your diet to prevent, like not eating certain things that you know are going to be bad for you or like make you sluggish or make you feel like you cannot work out, build muscle and all that stuff. Right, and you're, and you're literally creating your image, like in with your mind. Do you know what I mean? Like your body now has become like it can the podcast. Right, you know what I mean and I'm not saying that as like a vanity, I'm saying that as kind of like pointing to something that seems to be like a thorough line through your, your process. You know, and I think that's that's remarkable and like from doing this like fitness journey myself, it's.
Speaker 1:You know it's hard sometimes. You know in the beginning it's hard. It's hard when it. You know, to be honest, the hardest part for me is not starting um, I love starting new shit. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm, I'm pumped and I start seeing results. I'm stoked. Yeah, you know, uh, you know I'm down 28 pounds than I was, uh, 60 days ago currently congratulations.
Speaker 1:Thanks, man like yeah, I'm not done yet, you know what I'm saying like, but it's, it's, it's, but it's a shift. You know, and you know what the hardest part is Is like when you're like or now I'm on day like I'm doing a 90-day thing, and so I'm on day like 60 or something like that, and the hardest thing is when it starts becoming habitual. Weirdly for me, when these healthy things start being habitual, I think, oh, I'm good, now I can kind of treat myself to this thing.
Speaker 1:now I'm good, now I feel good, so I can probably like you know, it's like a trick, you know, and I always fall for it in the past. You know, and I've like reflected on that quite a bit is like man. It's easy to or to have small things slowly create bad behaviors and also create good ones right. But it seems really easy because our whole society seems to be promoting kind of unhealthy things, because it's consumerism. It's not inherently bad, but it's like the fact that you know you'll be advertised like I get a pizza advertisements right and I'm just like jesus christ.
Speaker 2:Look at those pepperonis.
Speaker 1:Like man I could treat myself right. I could just kind of, but you know the beautiful part of that though is that there is alternatives, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally you know, you can. You know, my wife just found a recipe for a sweet potato crust. You know and you know and is it as good as the real thing?
Speaker 1:No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It hits the spot, but it does what you need it to do and there's a positive effect from it as well.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Totally my wife last week talk. She found this recipe and you know they're called energy bars, but it's all really good ingredients. Yeah, and it tastes like cookie dough.
Speaker 1:Oh no. And you know, You're just all there, right, you know, and I was just like thank you and and You're just all there, right, you know, and I was just like thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So you know the beautiful part is is that there is alternatives. Yes, the hard part is that the alternatives take time. Right, you have to make it, you have to find the right ingredients, you have to do you know, you have to get it done when the easy part is picking up the phone and calling Domino's and be like yeah send 12 of them, motherfuckers, over here right now. Yes, I want chicken wings. What sauce do you have? Yeah, let me get all of those and a two liter.
Speaker 2:Just you talking about this is not great, let's move on to the next one.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I don't know if I can do this, bro. I don't know. I got to go See you later y'all. I'm out as you're texting Domino's, I'm like maybe I can just order at DoorDash.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, right. That's the hard part is it goes back to the pleasure and the suffering.
Speaker 2:Yes, Right, Pleasure says let me pick up my phone and order this, Cause it's easy. Yeah, Suffering is I got to get my ass up, go to the store, get the right ingredients and then make this shit. Yeah, and it's going to be just as good, but it's going to take time. You know what I mean and you know that's the thing. Right, I take my lunch. I have, I have a meal prep bag that my wife got me and, uh, you know I I take it to work every day. Yeah, you know, it's fully stocked and loaded with what I need for the day. Right there, and this isn't a knock to to my wonderful, absolutely wonderful, uh, coworkers. But I see a lot of people just walk in and they're like oh, it's lunch.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to go run and grab something, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's super common when you're running to grab something.
Speaker 2:That's the convenience, that's the pleasure, that's the easy, that's right. After this podcast, I'm going to go home and I'm going to meal prep. Yeah, you know what I mean. So Sundays I meal prep. You know what I mean, and you know. Does it take time? Yeah, you know what I mean. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes, do I like it? Not really. Yeah, you know what I mean, but I know it's the right thing for me and it's pushing me to my goal and where I want to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I do yeah.
Speaker 2:Which comes pleasure from the suffering. So you have to start you. You know the number one thing you have to do for for me at least, what I've found is that you have to just switch your mentality. Yeah, about what's right and wrong, what's easy, what's gonna it's not fucking whining, bro.
Speaker 1:Do you want it or not?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know what I mean. And and um, it's not easy. It's not easy, bro. You know, I could easily and I did easily. Every time we went grocery shopping, I need a pint of the ben and jerry's cookie dough. Ice cream dog, yeah, and yes, when we get home I'm eating the whole damn thing. Yeah, and guess what? Every time my stomach would hurt all night. Yeah, you know what I mean. Do I still want it? Yes, do I still?
Speaker 2:want it you know what I mean. But that that's what's so incredible about the fitness journey is you get to a point where you're like, um, um, you see, yeah, the body changing. That's obvious you know what. I mean, that's what everybody fucking talks about bro but the pain and suffering is what's not talked about, dog, and that's why you got to be easy with social media and you see these dudes pulling up their shirts and flexing their six packs and fucking doing all these crazy workouts and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool, whatever, bro. Yeah, you know what I mean, but how did tell me how you got there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's interesting. You're talking about this pain and suffering deal and I think you know I've I've journaled about similar things. You know, like I had the thing that says like comfort is the enemy. Is there a?
Speaker 2:unicorn on the front of your of course.
Speaker 1:I mean on my notebook. Yeah, and you cut out a picture of your own head with the guy writing it.
Speaker 2:What's the point?
Speaker 1:Tell me there's a picture of me on the unicorn. Yeah, you're right behind me. Cut your head out too, man.
Speaker 2:No, you're flying on the side of me.
Speaker 1:Me and Nativo. You know, one's got a unicorn, nativo's got the unicorn. I'm just flying, kind of a meditation pose too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Of course, of course.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Change the Cost for the OG people out there.
Speaker 2:They don't know about that, of course they don't.
Speaker 1:They don't know about that yeah, yeah, they don't gotta know. But I think it's beautiful because I think every, I think there's no real transformation or change with the intent of liberation, personal liberation, without pain and suffering and without a like struggle. I think struggle and pain and suffering and having the discipline to kind of go through that and see the benefits, which are a little bit like they're delayed, it's not instant gratification, it's a delayed benefit. Right, you're putting yourself through something. You know you're doing those, the reps of bench press and then suddenly you just feel good a little bit afterwards. You know it's not like in the moment. You're like this feels great sometimes, you know, but you're usually suffering, you know. You're usually like, oh my gosh, this is like you know what.
Speaker 2:That's what I've been blessed with, actually, and I really have had a hard time understanding this Cause. I I you know I get thrown off when people say this I love working out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love hurting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I stay. Yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, but I I forget that it takes people time yeah To to get into that To appreciate it, Cause I. I, I just get excited about it. Yeah, you know what I mean. And and the truth is is junior was born in, in 2007, so at the end of, like 2006 is when I started working out, yeah, and I loved it then you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:I just was excited about it. Yeah, you know I I think it's fun. Yeah, you know what I mean. So I I've been blessed with with, with that mentality. Yeah, you know what I mean. The hard part for me has always been the eating yeah I don't care what anybody says, it's like 90 of it bro, you gotta eat. Eat like what anybody says.
Speaker 1:It's like 90% of it bro you got to eat like you train. I mean that's like the vibe you have to.
Speaker 2:I mean there's no way around it, there isn't.
Speaker 1:And like, yeah, I mean, I'm in a similar boat where I think I started working out at a really young age because of my dad. He didn't really have many friends and so he would sneak me into this gym, uh, because I looked older, uh, when I was younger. You know I still do but like I looked, oh, I looked older. You know I didn't get that black gene. You know I'm saying like black, don't crack, only when you're biracial, um, and me, uh, but like you know, so he would sneak me into this gym. You say, oh, he's 13, I was like 10 or you know, so he would sneak me into this gym. He'd say, oh, he's 13. I was like 10 or something you know. And I would, you know, spot him.
Speaker 1:And you know, so I have a pleasure in working out. Working out is fun. I love it, definitely when you have good workouts that you're excited about. Yeah, you know, I think I kind of slip in some of those workouts where I really don't want to do burpees. I really don't want to do burpees, I love them, oh my God.
Speaker 1:You're a freak, I love them. I can't wait until I get to the day where I can say I love burpees. It's going to happen, but not today. Yeah, but you know I love boxing and I love doing boxing drills yeah, boxing drills are great Right, and then I love lifting weight.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and then I love lifting weight Right, but the food part, oh my gosh like has been a lifelong struggle you know, I don't know, I don't have a sweet tooth. Luckily, it's always been savory things, so that I think that's kind of works in my favor sometimes you know, especially when you weren't raised? No, yeah, to eat. You know or understand what healthy food is you know what I mean and and you know, no knock on my mom.
Speaker 2:God bless her. She did the absolute best she could and I appreciate her, I applaud her on a regular basis. She, she did the best she could. But at the same time you're talking about a single mom who's working raising a son. And you know, I just didn't not that she cooked bad food, yeah, but it wasn't the most like you know what I mean, yeah my favorite is pork chops, shake and bake and applesauce bro. Yeah, pour that shit, all over that, those pork chops, and let's get busy.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2:She would make a whole pack of pork chops and I'd kill them in a sitting.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying and when you're not raised to understand nutritional values, it's not instilled in you, yeah, so when Warpath got me started on my fitness journey, I was super struggling yeah and it. I even was at the point where I was. I was getting pissed off at him, yeah, because I was like these fucking macro nutrients and I don't know. You know I'm eating cans of raw tuna, bro, because I just don't know, and I'm about you know, yeah, who the fuck wants to eat a can of raw tuna? Fucking sucks. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, I would get you know in my mind to compensate. Well, this isn't my fault, this is his fault. Yeah, you know what? I mean and one day I was like what the fuck dog? You asked him for this out. What are?
Speaker 1:you getting mad at him? For what are you getting mad at him for?
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, yeah totally the fuck is wrong with you. You know what I mean, and so you know understanding what a good starch is. You know what I'm saying, what a good carbohydrate is, aka carbohydrate. You know what I mean. What good proteins are. You know how much fat is in what. You know what I mean. And really dialing that in and and the truth is is you have to find what works for you yeah, you know what I'm saying am am I eating a, a chicken? Or plain chicken breast with rice? Fuck, no, no, I'm not, bro, you know what I mean. Have I tried that? Yeah, did it suck? Yes, yeah, but I had to find meals that I could stomach on a regular basis and that made me happy. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Right now, I have this little concoction. I made it's, it's white rice, it's a bison, and I make homemade salsa. Yeah, you know what I mean. And I found this uh, uh, yogurt dressing. That's a cilantro and avocado. So I make my salsa homemade. Yeah, you know what I mean. Three Roma tomatoes, cilantro, lime, garlic, uh, white onion and um and jalapeno, cause I gotta have a hot. So I roast that, I blend it and there's my homemade salsa. You know what I mean. And then the bison is a healthy, lean red meat. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Then you have your white rice, which is a healthy carb, and I mix the bison and the white rice, put it in a container, heat it up at work, put my salsa on it you know what I mean and I put red cabbage and lettuce in it and I put a little bit of that cilantro dressing on there yogurt, you know what I mean. It's, it's 40 calories. Calories per table, two tablespoons. Yeah, you know what I mean. And damn, you know I mean, I'm with it. Yeah, you know what I mean. And and tell, know, I mean, I'm with it. Yeah, you know what I mean. And and tell me, that doesn't sound better than a plain fucking chicken breast with broccoli and white rice?
Speaker 1:yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So you have to find the best meal plan for you is the one that you're going to stick to.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, and if you're eating all this bland shit all the time that you're trying to stomach down, you're more than likely not going to stick to it. Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's the trick is finding what works with you, what your palate desires, what you can stomach on a regular basis, and you know I'll get sick of this recipe. You know what I mean and I'll find something new and do something new. You know what I mean, but you know what I mean and I'll find something new and do something new. You know what I mean, but that's you know. It's starting to be the fun part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's starting to become habitual. It sounds like you know. Hopefully I'm trying, you know, am I perfect? No, no.
Speaker 2:You know, are my abs coming? Yeah, are they there? No, yeah, are you going to? You know, go on Instagram and flex for everybody in the mirror. Not yet. You know what I mean. You know, but am I comfortable with my shirt off now? Yes, hell yeah, you know what I mean. Can I go to the pool with my family and take my shirt off and feel good? Hell, yeah, you know what I mean, and there's something about that that is so, you know. You can be grateful for it and you know you worked for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean, and and it's an accomplishment. You know what I mean. It feels good, you know. But, on the flip, something I did want to bring up is that you know it's it's hard when your body starts changing too, and when people notice it and and observe it and then speak it. You know, because one of my aunts walked into the house the other day and I haven't seen her in a while, and she was like the first thing she said oh my God, your, your face, you're so skinny and blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, that was already freaking me out. You know what.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:And I've already gotten past that. Yeah, but you know when your face is a little bit more full and then you start losing weight you look in the mirror and you're like, who the fuck is that? Yeah, you know what I mean. And you're like, damn, do I look weird? Cause I I feel like I look weird, interesting.
Speaker 1:You know, it is interesting.
Speaker 2:And that's one of the things that I had to struggle with is like you know, what size clothes do I buy? Now, yeah, you know what I mean I. I mean, you know, I, I. I was born in 81, I grew up in the 90s. You know what I mean I. I was wearing 3x tall shirts yeah you know I mean shit. When I was 15 I was wearing like 44 waist size dickies and bands you know, what I mean and you know not.
Speaker 2:Not that they fit me, they didn't fit me then either but you know, I'm from the old school, we dress like that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And and now that I'm, you know, I got a little bit more maturity, a little bit more wisdom. I'm a fucking grown man now you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, I want to dress uh, you know to, according to my new taste and style. You know what I mean. And it was like you know, somebody was gracious enough, uh was established, shout out to established. They reached out to me when, when the podcast was still going, he said hey, man, you know, people reached out to me all the time, can I send you some stuff yeah.
Speaker 2:So he sent me a couple shirts and he says, well, what size shirts should I send you? And I I was like, oh well, medium, you know, because I didn't know you know what I mean. And I got them and they were like a little too. You know, I got pretty broad shoulders. I'm only 5'7", I'm not that big of a dude. But you know, my shoulders can be pretty broad. And I put the shirt on and I was like, oh shit, I can't really, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And I was like man. I reached back out to him. I was like shit, bro, I'm so sorry, like I'm getting used to my, my new body and unfortunately these shirts are too small and they were gracious enough to send me, you know, some larges you know what.
Speaker 2:I mean and so. But you know that that's been a weird thing. Is is is the way I look and the clothes to buy. I just don't fucking know. I'm still trying to figure out. I'm not very stylish as it is, I'm just. You may think I am, but go live with my wife, bro, she's a fucking fashionista dog.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Bro, she wears some shit. I do the laundry and I'm like how the fuck do I even fold this? You know what I mean. And I tell her I can't fold your fucking clothes, I don't even know how to fold this. What the fuck, how do you fold this shit? You know what I mean. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I would love to see that skit Like if that was like a comedy skit, I would love to see that. I'm going to put that on a list. What?
Speaker 2:the fuck she keeps wanting to do those kind of things with me. You know what I mean. That would be an amazing skit.
Speaker 1:Just you folding stuff all neat, is it like? Your Nativo way yeah yeah, yeah, you know what time it is Clean lines yeah, it's like this weird, really shaped thing you're like what the fuck do I do with?
Speaker 2:this like you know, you're like trying to do different things alterations that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:He just doesn't origami, bro.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, making swans and shit okay, so I get the iron out.
Speaker 2:You're like thank god, I don't iron anymore I know it was funny, me, some some of, uh, my childhood boys man, one of our friends passed away in 1997 and a couple months ago we all met up to go out to his grave and be together and we're all telling stories and they're like, bro, we would sit in your house and wait for you for like two hours just to iron your clothes. Dog, you know what? I'm not fucking around. I under, underwear, socks, tank top, shirt, pants. We weren't leaving till those pants stood on their own. I can't leave until that's ready. You know what I mean. Like where's the starch? Yet you know what I mean. So Like where's the starch? Yet you know what I mean. So thank God I don't, I don't iron my clothes like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, only on special occasions. Might have to schedule this for like three o'clock or something. You're food prepping now. We're waiting for Nativa to stop food prepping. Okay, so we're going to transition to what normally would be the question, but really, what I want to talk with you about is what is the new vision, like, what is the new thing that's happening in your life? You know, like you mentioned it briefly, you're starting a gym, a home gym, yeah, so can you kind of talk on that?
Speaker 2:Absolutely talk on that. Absolutely Well for one, you know, I've always said this right, I have room for three top things in my life that I can focus on on a regular basis. At the end of uh, what year is it? 24? At the end of 23, I, I started working at fog city farms. Yeah and um, you know it, it's a cannabis farm locally and I am a huge cannabis enthusiast. Um, I, I love cannabis. It's a plant, it's not a drug. It's a healing herb that that helps people and can relax you. Um, but just like anything else, you know you, you know, too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
Speaker 2:So I just want to say that off the bat. Good thing is a bad thing. So I just want to say that off the bat. But, um, you know, I, I have fell head over heels for not only fog city farms but the people that I work with. You know what I mean and it's become such a top priority in my life. I, I'm the distribution manager over there and I, I just, I mean, it's my second home, bro. Yeah, you know, I, I, I, I there's not a bone in my body when I get up in the morning and and you know, get through my process and get ready to go to work, that I'm like I don't want to go to work today. I, I'm like I don't want to go to work today. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I'm going to work. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And it's taken a huge amount of my time. You know what I mean. And so, for me, my three things right now, and like you said earlier, right, god is always my, my absolute, yeah, you know what I mean. So I can't even call God my number one. God's my absolute Right. So, my, my top three are my family, fitness and fog city. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2:So me and my wife, like I told you, we talked a lot about not doing a podcast anymore. It takes an excruciating amount of time, bro, as you know, right From the editing process to finding people, to the interview, to, you know, and there's so many more things that we're not even talking about that go along with doing this Absolutely. And and um, I was like, you know, this fitness journey, I, I need, I, I want to focus on it more, right, so, you know, I, I, I was thinking of names, cause, you know, I wanted to keep the IG page and you know, I, I have a good amount of followers on there and I didn't really want to lose it. I wanted to utilize it and I was trying to think of names and Tanika was like you know what man, you know that paid the cost, man, that's, that's you got to keep that alive you know what I mean it's, it can be your umbrella.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we changed the name on the IG page. It's called PTC fam fit Right and it's not paid the cost. It's paying the cost because I'm going back. Right, I'm starting over again. I haven't paid the cost yet. Yeah, I'm paying the cost right now. So what I'm doing now is is transitioning from paid the cost podcast to paying the cost family and fitness.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And what we've done is we've gutted our garage, which originally the the podcasting studio is in, took that down and we're totally rebuilding it into a I mean, dream home gym. Bro. I can't tell you, I've been working on this since Friday. Yeah, we were blessed enough to get a sponsorship from McCullough Fitness, which they sell workout equipment.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and they sent us an M four Smith machine. It's an all-in-one workout cage. It has a pulley system on it, it has a Smith bar on it, pull up cage on it, dip, dip cage. Um, it's got everything that you would want on it, yeah, so, and then we got a treadmill. We got Mocolo rubber flooring, so it's phenomenal flooring. It's like walking into a gym, like a commercial gym. We put up mirrors. I used the sound tiles that I had in the studio and I put them up around the mirrors.
Speaker 2:So give a little aesthetic, yeah, but also a little soundproofing too yeah right, yeah, you know, because I scream and grunt and moan when I'm working. But but then we also bought. Uh, we got a new treadmill yeah uh, mounted a tv right in front of it you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean watching netflix while we're on a run or a walk, yeah, and I'm really going to focus the page to first family and fitness, and it's all about paying the cost and honoring God at the same time. You know what I mean. Thank you, I appreciate that, brother. So that's what I'm going to transition to, bro, because you know the way I grew up, bro. I'm a street cat, bro. You know to my core. You know you can take me out of the street, but you can't take the street out of me. You know what I mean. I'm a street cat. You know what I mean and I love the streets.
Speaker 2:I loved being in the streets, I loved gang banging. I loved it, bro, genuinely. You know what I mean and I'm not trying to glorify that or saying it's a positive thing in any way, shape or form, but when you grow up feeling alone and you have your homeboys that's your family you know what I mean. So I really, really, really. I'm so thankful and grateful that the community embraced me the way it did and embrace the podcast. I was so blessed to be able to help other people in the community, um, either through connecting other people or or, uh, helping people promote their businesses or promote their art or promote their music or promote whatever they did, and I still want to help people, yeah. So I want people to know how important God is. I want people to know how important family is. I want people to know that health is wealth.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean and I want to be an inspiration to the people that I've already helped inspire in some way, shape or form. I don't want to lose that. I still want to be that and and help people through a different Avenue.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean and, and I feel that, um, this is, you know, thomas, when, when I decided to make this transition. It's funny how, how evidence God starts to become, and and how asking God for permission to do certain things and he gives his permission for that, I mean, look, bro, again, I can't tell you how grateful I am that I got to get this stuff to you. You know what I mean. I, I, I had so many people reaching out. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And it was.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, but if I sell it to this person, you know they might not know how to use it. They're going to blame me. They're going to want to bring it back, they're going to ask me all these questions. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Five in the morning I get a text message from you. Oh, hey, uh, hey, well, hey, wait a minute, hey uh, you're not gonna do the podcast.
Speaker 1:You're like how did you know that? How did you find this out? I've been keeping up. It was like. It was like how did you? I'm like, bro, very private person I've seen your gear.
Speaker 2:Well, it's funny right, because I even had my wife posted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I have my wife.
Speaker 2:I know your wife right, I have my wife posted because I didn't want anybody to start asking me questions because I well, I'm moving silence no, I understand.
Speaker 1:I don't tell people what I'm doing until it's done you know, and and so you reached out.
Speaker 2:The conversation happened. Then you asked about the equipment. I was like fuck, yes you know what I mean? Yes, this is the person that I would really like to have all this stuff. Yeah, you know what I mean, and I'm telling just the other day somebody here what are you doing with your podcast?
Speaker 1:equipment's gone, dog yeah, you know what I mean and and and so that happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ripped down the studio with ease. Yeah, you know what I mean. Um, again, the sponsorship. So not only do we have a mccullough fitness sponsorship, but we also have a sponsorship by fabletics you're just getting hooked up. God's telling you this is the right path, right and and fabletics is, uh, the actor k Hudson's brand, kevin Hart's a huge promoter of it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So every month they send me and my wife new outfits. I have a whole closet full of Fabletics gear Shout out to Fabletics man. We are so grateful to work with them. You know what I mean. They send excellent. I mean this is like Nike level clothes. You know what I mean. It's, it's comfortable, it looks good. You know I'm I'm super excited every time we get. I mean they send us a list of what we can pick.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean. And what a blessing you know. So you know, we we got to sell the equipment, ripped down the studio, got these sponsorships building out the studio, the gym. You know what I mean and I couldn't be happier with it, you know. And now I get to focus on what I love most. Yeah, now it's not weird that I'm posting pictures of my kids on my Instagram page. You know what I mean. And you know, our 17-old Nativo Jr is a phenomenal baseball player. Yeah, ptc fam fit. Now I can post him Doing his thing, doing his thing. Yeah, right, him pitching out on the mound. Him getting college scholarships. Him, you know, knocking fools off on the. You know, trying to swing at his pitches. You know what I mean. And we're getting ready. We're getting Amari, his little Amari's corner right. Yes, so I found this little foam weight bench that I'm going to get him right. You know we're going to do. We got a ground ladder, so I'm going to have him do an exercise. And he's so excited about it.
Speaker 1:How old is Amari Three?
Speaker 2:He's out there.
Speaker 1:He's going to be one of those little ripped kids.
Speaker 2:He's going to be like.
Speaker 1:That's my Amari.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what the thing is is. It goes back to what we were talking about, right? It's instilling the process in him while he's young. This is going to be normal and that's something that we found with Junior is the nutrition thing, because Junior is not Tanika's son, he's somebody else's mother. But when he would, and this isn't a knock.
Speaker 2:This is just part of the story, but he wouldn't eat so great over there, you know, and he was a little chunky guy when he was young and and tanika was like this isn't healthy, we can't have this, you know. So tanika started feeding us way differently, right, and that's instilled in junior today. Junior, he despises fast food. Yeah, and it's not something we. We didn't say McDonald's is bad. We didn't say you know, this is bad. He's just like I ain't eating that shit.
Speaker 1:It's example. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And so to give these gifts to our children. You know what I mean. You know, again, with Junior, when he was 12, he got in a little bit of trouble and you know I said, okay, you got, you got some energy, huh, okay, well, this is what we're going to do. So I woke him up at five o'clock every morning, we'd go on a two mile run and then we'd come back and we'd do calisthenics. Because I didn't want to, I didn't want to ruin him lifting weights or anything.
Speaker 2:So body weight stuff yeah and now that dude is a beast. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's on his own workouts. He trains at rossi's up in scotts valley. It's a really renowned baseball facility. People from all over the county and other counties and major league baseball players go there to train. And I remember last winter it was pouring, raining and it was just kind of gloomy and he was like, oh you know, and I said, well, just take a day. And he said, nope, I got to go.
Speaker 1:Wonder where he got that from? Are you calling yourself God? Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:No, I was giving in a really blessed, opportunistic position. To raise our children in a way that we didn't get. You know what I mean and to instill these values, morals and opportunities into our children is just such. I couldn't be in a more blessed position.
Speaker 1:Brother, that is, I'm inspired by this conversation, so I want to just say thank you for that, absolutely, and we're going to move on to our two silly questions here. Let's go. Are you ready? I'm ready, all right. What's your astrology sign?
Speaker 2:Leo, do you resonate with?
Speaker 1:that Big Leo baby.
Speaker 2:Clearly Big Leo, baby Leo, in the house. Oh my God, yeah, absolutely. I resonate with it. I got lions tattooed all over my body, my man.
Speaker 1:Right here, baby, and I got lions tattooed all over my body, my man. And then, if you had a power animal, what would it be?
Speaker 2:A power animal.
Speaker 1:An animal that just like inspires?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, for some reason, lately, you know about for the last year, I see hawks everywhere, you know, and, and and a lot of the times it's when I'm driving home from work and they're sitting up on the light post. I'm driving down highway one back from from work and and I, I always see hawks everywhere, man, and you know I've had a. Really I I had this fear of flying for a while. So you know, I'm about overcoming fear and and you know, I'm inspired and in awe when I see those creatures in the sky. Man, so I would say, you know, a bird type creature. You know what I mean. You know I don't know if it's necessarily a hawk in in in particular, but definitely a predatory bird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, brother dude, hawk medicine is one of the best. It's because if you really study hawks you know they're solitary, but they they mate for life. Yeah, you know, um, and so when you see multiple hawks together it's like kind of a nice rare sight, wow, uh, and they are, they're extremely focused. They're the warriors kind of of the bird family a little bit. You know they're there it is.
Speaker 2:I think I get it spot on to it. Hawk, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Final answer because I, I saw one of those people, you know. I forgot what their name is right off the bat, uh, but the people who, like you know, work with birds and they like train them. Yeah, hawks are very obedient, um, but they're also very like, they're individualist. They, they do their own thing, they hunt their own things and they'll come back and have that loyalty to their person. You know, leo, baby, I'm all about that loyalty look, while like crows or something are, are they?
Speaker 1:they're in groups, you know always. You know, like hawk will sometimes kill a crow, yeah, and then suddenly, like a whole gang of crows will come and try to get the hawk, but the hawk will fight.
Speaker 1:That's why you see hawks when they fly sometimes all these little birds right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know because they they, they're predatory birds, but sometimes they'll team up with different birds to uh like, uh to, to go against something like a great horned owl Dang. Yeah, I'm a birder. I blame my ex-wife, you know, and my spiritual mind. You know what I mean. I was, you know, shamanism, stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then like my wife's all like, got this birder app and now I'm fucking. You know, like every bird sound.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a dark-headed drunko right there you know that's a nerd, that's what I'm done. But Nativo, just can you give our listeners some last words of wisdom, any kind of marketing things Like? Whatever you want, this is your time, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man At PTCFamFit, if you could give us a follow, we appreciate it. We, we'd love to have you on the journey. Part of the family, um, health is wealth. Um, don't ever, ever, ever, be afraid to start over. Um, it's all about the journey. Um, you know, if, if, if, god, jesus isn your thing, find a higher power that does resonate with you, because when you have something in your life that is greater than yourself, it's not such a burden. Yeah, you know so. So let go, let God, let your higher power.
Speaker 2:You know, and stress is a killer man, you know. Don't worry. You know, in the end, we constantly worry about things that never happen. You know what I mean. And if you're spending time worrying, you're missing out on all these great things that can happen, you know. And if you're a parent, be present. You know what I mean. Love your children, give them what they need, not what they want. You know what I mean. Want is like candy, it's so often. You know what I mean and you know, be a good person. You know life is hard, and it's not just hard for you, it's hard for everybody, you know. So be kind, be good to other people, share, give, be part of something greater than yourself. Yeah, I think that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1:It's Evo. It was an honor to have you on. Oh brother, good to see you. This has been Speak for Change Podcast. I'm your host, thomas H Pettersson. Thank you.